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thou-babbling-brook Ā· 5 months ago
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Maria Thorpe Character Analysis
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Well, I simply canā€™t disappoint the people ā€“ aka, the five of you that will read this, lmfao. Iā€™m so serious about this that Iā€™m actually drafting this on a Google doc before I post this rather than just typing random thoughts on my phone. This is going to be a HUGE ramble that probably wonā€™t make a ton of sense, but I hope itā€™s entertaining regardless.Ā 
Maria Thorpe ā€“ a character that Ubisoft probably spent MAYBE thirty minutes thinking about, but that I have not stopped thinking about for like, five years. What a gal. So glad I was not in this fandom in 2012 to witness how HEINOUS people were about her for simply being a woman ā€œin the wayā€ of a M|M relationship. I hope by the end of this ramble, you, too, will see her for the baddie she truly is.Ā 
In this essay, I will delve into Mariaā€™s character to explore why she is so fascinating to me, the implications of her story, and why Ubisoft can actually catch these hands for dumbing her down in AC Revelations. (I'm putting a cut here because it's so fucking long I'm sorry gang)
First off, to understand Maria Thorpe as a character, you have to understand her background. Iā€™m not going to copy and paste her Wiki or anything, but I am going to outline her life (stated and implied) before we meet her.
For those that donā€™t know, Maria was born an English noblewoman in 1161 ā€“ four years before AltaĆÆr was born (okay cougar). Because she was a tomboy and defied many of the social norms for women in the 12th century, she was ostracized by both her parents and her peers. She mentions in The Secret Crusade that her parents tried to force her to conform, which culminated in her first marriage at the age of 18 to Lord Peter Hallaton. She mentions that he was a decent husband, but he didnā€™t exactly appreciate her more boisterous nature. After all, in 12th century England (especially among nobility), women were to be seen, not heard. She also failed his expectations as a chatelaine and a wife, as she bore him no children. The Bishop of Leicester granted them an annulment to avoid embarrassment to both Peter and Mariaā€™s family. When she returned, she was ā€œpersona non grataā€ to her family and the whole of Leicestershire, especially when her father had already spent her dowry. With no other options, Maria ran away to join the Third Crusade, where she eventually met Robert de SalbĆ©.
You may notice that we donā€™t actually know a lot about Maria and her life before AC1, which is probably intentional. To me, though, thatā€™s what makes her backstory fascinating ā€“ the implications of her environment and what we can reasonably deduce she went through based on historical context. I think anyone whoā€™s taken a seventh-grade social studies class could tell you women had, like, zero rights in 12th-century England ā€“ even more so, noblewomen. Maria was raised to be a glorified broodmare ā€“ say nothing, have children (two boys and a girl, as she jokes), and run her husbandā€™s household. Clearly, she was the exact opposite of all of these things. Something interesting about Mariaā€™s first marriage is the fact that while it was an annulment, she specifically mentions in The Secret Crusade it was an annulment to save her family further embarrassment ā€“ which implies that the marriage was consummated, but all parties wanted it done with. I donā€™t think I need to elaborate on how common and horrific an experience like that could be, but I think it fuels Mariaā€™s relationship later on with motherhood, especially since she mentions that she was completely uninterested in childrearing and birth (this is a key point Iā€™ll touch on later).
So what? Why does her background matter? It matters because of how historical and cultural context tie in to help form who she is by the time she leaves for the Third Crusade ā€“ a desperate, twenty-two-year-old woman, divorced, ostracized from the only family and society she has ever known, having no other choice than to ditch England and head for the Holy Land unless she wants to become a nun. For many men and women alike in the 12th century, this was their only opportunity to become something more than what they were born as, whether it be a serf, a blacksmith, or a noblewoman. Many who left for the Third Crusade left to ā€œtake back the Holy Land,ā€ but also to escape or improve their current standings. To me, Maria falls in the second category, and it is this desperation to escape her life that forms her most notable (and later, tragic) characteristic: her undying loyalty.
As a side note, it is also interesting to me that Maria chose to be a soldier rather than a nurse. This is more so my characterization of her, but I think thatā€™s because a) sheā€™s too damn proud and loud to be a nurse, and b) because if she was a nurse, she would more than likely live and be treated the same way she was at home. Truly, if she wants to escape the patriarchy, the only way a woman like Maria could at the time was to join it by blending in. Girly get some therapy.
Weā€™re now at AC1 in the timeline. Hooray! We donā€™t know when exactly Maria joined the Templars or when she first met Robert, but we can probably assume it was not long after she joined the crusade. As we know from AC1, AC Bloodlines, and The Secret Crusade, Maria disguised herself as a man (more than likely a young boy since sheā€™s got a voice that would fit right into Alvin and the Chipmunks) and was able to keep up the rouse long enough to rise in the ranks and show promise to people like Robert. For Maria, when Robert finds out she is a woman and yet elevates her further, it is the first time in her life that someone has appreciated her for her masculine qualities. It is why she develops an intense loyalty for Robert to the point of being willing to be his decoy, despite the fact she fully anticipated dying. For Maria, it would be her ideal end ā€“ fighting to the death for a cause she truly believed in. Not even really a cause, as we figure out later, but more so for a man she truly believed in ā€“ Robert. It would not be through the pain and subjugation of childbirth like most women of her standing, but a brutal fight like any other man.
And yet ā€“ she doesnā€™t. When AltaĆÆr meets her, heā€™s undergone a whole development arc, whereas Maria (at this point 30, which is SO funny to imagine her fistfighting this 26-year-old frat boy) is at the start of hers. And it starts with AltaĆÆr sparing her ā€“ the worst possible fate that could become her at this point in her life. Think about it: the only person who has given her an OUNCE of respect has asked her to essentially die for him by acting as his decoy. As Maria mentions in AC Bloodlines, by this point, she is also a step away from becoming a knight ā€“ and at this point, sheā€™s also known as a woman among the Templars. And yet, she believes they have become her family, and she is willing to die for their cause and for Robert. When AltaĆÆr spares her and kills Robert, heā€™s sentencing her to the life she ran away from and feared ā€“ being nothing more than a woman who is looked down upon with condescending snarls and disgust for who she is.
This is why when we meet Maria in AC Bloodlines, she is rightfully PISSED. We literally see her realize that any ounce of respect and power she had is completely gone because AltaĆÆr spared her. She is so pissed, in fact, that she tries to kill AltaĆÆr again. This is even funnier when you remember how much of a BITCH it was to fight her in AC1, but I digress. AltaĆÆr has destroyed everything she has built in her life for the last eight years. He has taken her home, her mentors, her family, and her honor. And bro doesnā€™t have a clue in the fucking world.
Itā€™s at this point that Iā€™ll also analyze more about Mariaā€™s relationship with the Templars. At first glance, yes, she was a Templar and believed in their cause. Really, though, it goes far deeper than that. Itā€™s not necessarily that Maria believes in their cause ā€“ otherwise, it wouldā€™ve taken a lot more for AltaĆÆr to sway her to the Assassins ā€“ but that she believes in the people. Again, from Mariaā€™s perspective, the Templars (especially Robert) were the ONLY people in her entire life to treat her with dignity, and she is willing to die for them. She is willing to throw her honor to the ground and beg for forgiveness in front of Bouchard because, without the Templars, she is nothing. She is back to square one as a silly little girl trying to run from a life that would only subjugate her. Itā€™s that recurring characteristic of undying loyalty to those who have given her the life she has always wanted.
And for Maria, it is immediately spat back in her face.
When Bouchard takes over in AC Bloodlines, he is a strict Templar Grandmaster. No consorting with women, periodt. And he flaunts this over Maria, taunting her. He is tearing the last ounce of respect sheā€™d ever received and throwing it away. Every sacrifice she made for the Templars for the last eight years meant nothing, and it is crushing to her. She continues to be pissed off at AltaĆÆr, who mentions that sheā€™s more pissed at the Templars than at him. Once again, she is nothing more than a woman ā€“ an imprisoned one at that.
This is where one of my favorite Maria scenes (not that thereā€™s many) comes into play. When she and AltaĆÆr are sitting on the ship to Cyprus or wherever it doesnā€™t matter, AltaĆÆr does something that no person has done for her before: he treats her with unconditional respect. As funny as his autistic ramble about Empedocles and philosophy is, there are so many assumptions that go into AltaĆÆrā€™s conversation that I think help sway Maria to his side. When he talks to Maria, he speaks to her as an equal. He talks to her about philosophy because of course she would know about philosophy in his mind ā€“ to him, she is a soldier and a person first, and a woman second (shut the fuck about The Secret Crusade and him thinking about her as a lioness shut up shut up I low key hate it even though itā€™s funny). He is the first person in her life to speak to her as an equal and with respect with no strings attached. In fact, when Maria taunts him for leaving her cuffed even as he talks about free will, he lets her go. She may not like him at this point, but after this scene, you can certainly see that she respects him in how she speaks to him. BONUS: sheā€™s not trying to outright kill him anymore! Hooray!
You can see the impact AltaĆÆr and his conversation had on Maria when she confronts Shahar in her courtesan fit. Thereā€™s so many layers to Maria willingly dressing in such an exposing, vulnerable, and feminine way (keep in mind this bitch is Catholic, I know her guilt was going crazy), but what Iā€™m going to focus on is her conversation with Shahar. When he speaks to her, he is gross and all but catcalling her, calling her a ā€œlittle foxā€ and using a sultry tone. Maria is having NONE of it, and one can only assume this is a tone she has dealt with a thousand times over. This is also where we see the gears turning in Mariaā€™s head. Iā€™ve seen people criticize Maria for how quickly she flip-flopped, but I think thatā€™s overlooking the reason that she WAS a Templar ā€“ they were the only people who provided her a home when she had none. If youā€™re desperate for anyone to treat you with an iota of respect, youā€™d do whatever they ask. After she talks to AltaĆÆr though, and especially after realizing Robert was simply manipulating her, she is questioning the Templarsā€™ ideologies and realizing this is not what she wants. It low key is like Alicent in House of the Dragons right now ā€“ sheā€™s shocked that fighting against women fucked herself over. Maria is similar in that sense ā€“ she thought that by being what the Templars wanted and fighting for what they believed, it wouldnā€™t come back to bite her in the ass. But it did. Sheā€™s a woman before sheā€™s a Templar, and the ideology of the Templars would see her subjugated just as she was before. It isnā€™t until after AltaĆÆrā€™s spiel about free will and the challenges it brings that she realizes she has other options.
And thatā€™s ultimately what brings Maria to the side of the Assassins ā€“ realizing her errors in thinking and wanting a way to redeem herself. The Assassins are her second chance, which is ironic given how many stories after hers would follow this same format of second chances. But it isnā€™t just the ideology change, either. Itā€™s AltaĆÆr. No, she does not have undying loyalty by the end of AC Bloodlines, but heā€™s certainly earned her trust and respect. Heā€™s treated her like any other person without ever holding power or loyalty over her head. He does not manipulate her or exploit her ā€“ he respects her, and he earnestly tells her of the creedā€™s ideologies not to lure her in, but because he genuinely believes in the idea of dispelling the illusions of the world and wants to share it with her, whether she becomes an Assassin or not. That is what turns Maria into an Assassin at the end of the day: his respect for her and his understanding of the creed. And despite their issues, Maria chooses to follow him to the ends of the earth.
Now weā€™re at a really funny part of Mariaā€™s story: we know basically NOTHING about what happens in between AC Bloodlines and AC Reflections. We know that sometime after traveling to Masyaf, Maria and AltaĆÆr became a couple. We know they married in 1195 and gave birth to Darim the same year. Two years later, they would traumatize Desmond Miles by fucking on top of a castle, which is so fucking funny and only supports my characterization of Maria as a gremlin, because who the fuck else would make their husband climb up a giant ass tower for sex? We know she officially became an Assassin and would beg AltaĆÆr to stop looking into the Apple. We know she would join AltaĆÆr and Darim to Mongolia to kill Genghis Khan. And that is all we know for an approximately 30-YEAR PERIOD.
While thereā€™s a lot I could talk about in that gap, like Mariaā€™s relationship with other Assassins, Iā€™m going to focus on her relationship with motherhood. As we established earlier, Maria had ZERO interest in being a mother or giving birth. This is a personal headcanon but I do not care because itā€™s MY analysis and I can do as I please, but I feel like she wouldā€™ve dreaded childbirth, especially given how English nobility acted about it (e.g., how people treated it like a scandal or disease) and how it was the leading cause of death for women until the 20th century. Yet, despite this, she had not one, but TWO children. She was like one away from the goal, and even then Sef had two daughters so really she fulfilled it. But why? What changed that she would be willing to do the very thing she left England to avoid?
I think it goes back to the reason she was disinterested in it in the first place. Like Maria says in The Secret Crusade, she didnā€™t want to just be a mother or a wife. Her ideal husband would treat her like any other man, taking her hunting or whatever else bullshit medieval stuff theyā€™d do instead of scrolling through TikTok. She never said she didnā€™t want to be a mother. I think her hesitance stems from the fact that she didnā€™t want to SOLELY be defined as a mother or a wife. With AltaĆÆr, however, that fear is pretty much gone. Since the moment she met him, AltaĆÆr has always treated her with respect and admired the things she was once shamed for. Her strength is valuable as an Assassin. Her bluntness keeps him in check. Her ideas are admired rather than ridiculed. To AltaĆÆr, Maria is not just a woman or even just an Assassin. Sheā€™s a person with her own experiences and ideas and fears and strengths and dreams. He loves her for every aspect of herself that was once frowned upon.
I remember a while ago seeing a Tumblr post from ye olden days (like 2012) talking about how because menstrual cycles were extremely irregular back in the day due to medieval diets and exercise, Maria would have to purposefully chill out to regulate her cycle to become pregnant. What that implies is that she trusted AltaĆÆr so much that she was willing to settle down and have children because she knew it would not influence how he treated or loved her. Personally, I think this is true of Darim, but that Sef was an accident because itā€™s funnier that way, but regardless, the point still stands. Maria getting pregnant and becoming a mother is the opposite of what she thought she would ever want, but because she loved and trusted AltaĆÆr so much, she was willing to have a family with him because she knew it would not come to define her. I think that is unbelievably sweet.
We also donā€™t really see Maria interact with her children very often, which I think is a fucking shame. When she does interact with Darim (we never see her with Sef, though we do see her reaction to his death), Maria is always supportive and encouraging. Again, this is more my headcanon territory but I really donā€™t care because I can do what I fucking please, but Maria low key feels like a boy mom to me, but not in the weird Freud way, lmfao. Like we established earlier, Mariaā€™s key trait is her loyalty. I think this loyalty would be extended to her children. We know sheā€™s loyal to AltaĆÆr (it ends up killing her), but I feel like it would go insane with her children. When she learns of Sefā€™s death in The Secret Crusade, this woman breaks down in tears instantly. WHERE THE FUCK WAS THE MOTHERLY RAGE WITH ABBAS, UBISOFT. WHERE WAS IT. Anyways.
Masyaf is a pretty cutthroat environment to raise a child, especially when you consider that Abbas is apparently lurking in the background scheming during AltaĆÆrā€™s reign. Something I wish we learned more about (and something I just find fascinating in general) is the political environment of Masyaf. AltaĆÆr implemented a lot of changes to the Brotherhood that faced backlash, one of the key ones being allowing women in the order again (ahem, Maria). I know Maria said she was uninterested in the politics of running a house, but I do think sheā€™d kind of have to play her hand in politics in Masyaf, kind of how AltaĆÆr realizes heā€™s not exempt from politics since heā€™s literally shaping them. If Maria wants her kids to be safe, especially as sons of the Master of the Assassins, sheā€™s gotta play her cards well. This is why I think it does make sense for Maria to calm down after having children to be more similar to the Maria we see in AC Reflections and AC Revelations. She canā€™t just fight everyone like she did when she was relying solely on herself. Now, she has people relying on her, and I think it makes sense for her character to chill out more (though without losing her spunk) to ensure her family is safe.
For those that have ever watched Magnificent Century, basically think about how Hurrem went from fighting everyone to playing her cards wisely so her kids wouldnā€™t die or do stupid shit. Thatā€™s how I feel like Maria would be.
Something else thatā€™s interesting about Maria to me is her relationship with AltaĆÆr. Duh, youā€™re probably saying, but hear me out. We know that while she and AltaĆÆr were inseparable during their marriage, there was one thing that strained it: the Apple. It makes sense why Maria would be so pissed off at it. Sheā€™s seen AltaĆÆr control menā€™s minds with it. Sheā€™s seen how it takes him away for days at a time with its secrets, to the point she is begging him to throw it away. Back to the point about loyalty to her family, whereas AltaĆÆr seeks knowledge, Maria just wants her family protected and safe because she loves them ā€“ including her dumbass husband. Itā€™s ironic that the very thing she fought about with AltaĆÆr is the thing that killed her.
So weā€™re finally at AC Revelations, and I am truly shocked that youā€™re still here. Kudos to you. At that final confrontation scene with Abbas, that loyalty for those she loves comes to a head. When AltaĆÆr whips out the Apple, Maria begs and pleads him to stop, because she knows if he uses the Apple to control someone, he will only be proving Abbasā€™s point, which will only fuck them over. In The Secret Crusade, we also have Malikā€™s head on top of this scene to make it worse. Mariaā€™s position is again one of desperation. Her son is dead, one of her best friends is now just a head, and her husband is about to go sicko mode. She is screwed and she knows it. What she doesnā€™t know is that sheā€™s about to be stabbed by Swami (Iā€™m going with the revelations version shut up) in a last ditch effort to stop AltaĆÆr from using the Apple. AltaĆÆr doesnā€™t listen to Maria, and it kills her. He kills her.
ā€¦ SO I HAVE THOUGHTS.
I think Maria dying from the Apple makes sense, I do. Thatā€™s not my problem. My problem is how AC Revelations basically dumbed her down to this motherly, homely figure which is the like, ANTITHESIS of what Maria is. Where was the feminine rage??? Youā€™re telling me this woman would not be about to SLAUGHTER someone after learning that Sef died?? Youā€™re telling me she would just pull an AltaĆÆR thiS iSnā€™T yOu???????? Are you so fucking for real right now??? It pisses me off because it nukes her character. While yes, it makes sense for her to be a much calmer woman and 67 compared to 30, this is still Maria. Donā€™t act like she and AltaĆÆr donā€™t have fucking anger issues and be so fucking for real.
Hereā€™s my ideal scenario for what shouldā€™ve gone down. I think once they pulled Malikā€™s head out, there shouldā€™ve been all-out chaos rather than this bullshit ā€œWe killed everyone loyal to AltaĆÆr before he arrived.ā€ Maria shouldā€™ve been right there with them with a sword out. AltaĆÆr, in a desperate attempt to calm everyone down, would take out the Apple and try to control everyone. If youā€™ve seen the long ass discussion about how Revelations fucked up AltaĆÆrā€™s character arc, this also helps remedy that because AltaĆÆr is pulling out because of his arrogance in believing he can control the Apple. News flash: he canā€™t. Maria, while fighting for AltaĆÆr, would somehow be killed either by the Apple or like similar to how Swami accidentally killed her. Something along those lines where it is AltaĆÆrā€™s fault. Thatā€™s how she shouldā€™ve gone out, not some weird pick me bullshit.
Anyways. RIP Maria Thorpe you wouldā€™ve loved Crusader Kings 3.
I definitely missed some points about her character but this is already 7 pages long on Google docs so I am NOT writing anymore. God bless.
TLDR she's a baddie and I need her so so so bad
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[Ready for a new game?]
day 11 definitelynottober - heart in your fist & week 1 weeklyhermittober - beginnings
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IM SO READY LETSGO SO EXCITED FOR THE NEW LIFE SERIESšŸ’„šŸ’„šŸ’„šŸ’„šŸ’„šŸ’„
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continuing the life series winners designs, we got pearl and joel!!
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poorly-drawn-mdzs Ā· 21 days ago
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Look what we've become.
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cobaltfluff Ā· 5 months ago
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I dont care that it happened you to kanji. it should have happened to ME.
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How does that sound?
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cowardlykrow Ā· 9 months ago
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Don't even look at each other before marriage
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REALLY LONG DUMB COMIC. It was based on a thing i did with my bf and then became really long winded. šŸ˜­ The lesson we learn here today is that Its okay to be cringe autistic and gay šŸ™ This is like half projection so maybee its kind of ooc but its for comedic effect and this isnt meant to be a foray into character writing :p (my time for that will come thošŸ«¶)
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boeyboeyboey Ā· 3 months ago
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Mychael and jellys
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plus bonus gif of him catching you lookin at him :3
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drew these for heart pirates day and uhhhh ep1115
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šŸŒ… MetaDede Week 2024 Day 5 & 6: AU & Secrets šŸŒ…
(ID: Kirby series fanart comic of a moment in King Dedede and Meta Knightā€™s youth, when - during a trip to the beach with their friends - the teenaged penguin realizes that he might feel more than just friendship for his little winged buddy. Transcript in Alt Text. END ID.)
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gotchibam Ā· 1 year ago
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Espeon, Dusk Lycanroc, and Sylveon ko-fi doodle for Kaitlyn!
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ithinkimauggie Ā· 9 months ago
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Mm, yes... The one you call Benrey...
I've been advised by my employers that, his true nature is on something of a "need-to-know" basis...
And you, Doctor Freeman, do not need to know...
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ayo fuck this painting lol have another cropped vers
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lylethewaterguy Ā· 8 months ago
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Slides my crack ship across the table for your approval
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rendevok Ā· 1 year ago
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Bite me <3
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